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	<title>Comments on: Tina Modotti</title>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
		<link>http://www.vindaugagallery.com/archives/15#comment-44</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm a little late to the comments, but that Hands of the Puppeteer is great!!  I also like the Staircase.  I love the softness of the image of hard angles.  And Diego Rivera!!  I knew he looked like a toad, but geeeeZz!

Lastly, I abhore and denounce Camille Paglia as an enemy of women and feminism.  Don't ask.  The grudge is old-tyme, dating back to the post-modern era . . . nor does it have anything to do with Madonna's role in Paglia's arguments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a little late to the comments, but that Hands of the Puppeteer is great!!  I also like the Staircase.  I love the softness of the image of hard angles.  And Diego Rivera!!  I knew he looked like a toad, but geeeeZz!</p>
<p>Lastly, I abhore and denounce Camille Paglia as an enemy of women and feminism.  Don&#8217;t ask.  The grudge is old-tyme, dating back to the post-modern era . . . nor does it have anything to do with Madonna&#8217;s role in Paglia&#8217;s arguments.</p>
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		<title>By: gorjus</title>
		<link>http://www.vindaugagallery.com/archives/15#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>gorjus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2005 22:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, if one has the ability.  If one--through an artist statement, interviews, or otherwise--can pre-define, or contemporaneously define, one's art--then you "win."

In the case of Madonna, I think maybe she pulled the trigger and then La Paglia showed up with a Sharpie &#38; drew a circle around the pattern and said, wallah!!  Within is art.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, if one has the ability.  If one&#8211;through an artist statement, interviews, or otherwise&#8211;can pre-define, or contemporaneously define, one&#8217;s art&#8211;then you &#8220;win.&#8221;</p>
<p>In the case of Madonna, I think maybe she pulled the trigger and then La Paglia showed up with a Sharpie &amp; drew a circle around the pattern and said, wallah!!  Within is art.</p>
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		<title>By: hud</title>
		<link>http://www.vindaugagallery.com/archives/15#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>hud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2005 05:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, I'm intrigued by at least one part of what gorjus has to say here. It is the paragraph about Madonna and Paglia. About the role of the critic. It seems, and I'm not arguing against it, that a critic can create an artist, even out of nothingness. Certainly it easier to make an artist out of something that resembles or attempts to be an artists. But based on this conception that isn't even remotely an necessity.

I'm all for finding art in new places but I just wonder how far the concept can stretch. If, with a series of decent argument and a decent amount of sticking to one's guns, we can, via a shotgun method, convince at least a few people that something is art, and therefore that the creator is an artist, then where is the limit? And what do we say about a piece of art without an artist? Found art is cool but isn't it generally the person finding and therefore placing the object in the role of art that makes it a piece of art?

So, is it Madonna that is the artist or Paglia? Certainly Madonna did the work but if she wouldn't have been recognized as an artist without Paglia (and perhaps didn't think of her work in terms of high art) then isn't it really Paglia, the critic, who is the artist?

Do I have a point? If I do it must be "Be your own critic."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, I&#8217;m intrigued by at least one part of what gorjus has to say here. It is the paragraph about Madonna and Paglia. About the role of the critic. It seems, and I&#8217;m not arguing against it, that a critic can create an artist, even out of nothingness. Certainly it easier to make an artist out of something that resembles or attempts to be an artists. But based on this conception that isn&#8217;t even remotely an necessity.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for finding art in new places but I just wonder how far the concept can stretch. If, with a series of decent argument and a decent amount of sticking to one&#8217;s guns, we can, via a shotgun method, convince at least a few people that something is art, and therefore that the creator is an artist, then where is the limit? And what do we say about a piece of art without an artist? Found art is cool but isn&#8217;t it generally the person finding and therefore placing the object in the role of art that makes it a piece of art?</p>
<p>So, is it Madonna that is the artist or Paglia? Certainly Madonna did the work but if she wouldn&#8217;t have been recognized as an artist without Paglia (and perhaps didn&#8217;t think of her work in terms of high art) then isn&#8217;t it really Paglia, the critic, who is the artist?</p>
<p>Do I have a point? If I do it must be &#8220;Be your own critic.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: gorjus</title>
		<link>http://www.vindaugagallery.com/archives/15#comment-25</link>
		<dc:creator>gorjus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DUDE.  I am NOT MISSING IT.  It is my FAVORITE SHOW!!  Isn't it ridiculous that I am using it to define my conceptions of art?  But I really like it!

I'm pulling for Jay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DUDE.  I am NOT MISSING IT.  It is my FAVORITE SHOW!!  Isn&#8217;t it ridiculous that I am using it to define my conceptions of art?  But I really like it!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pulling for Jay.</p>
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		<title>By: jayrah</title>
		<link>http://www.vindaugagallery.com/archives/15#comment-24</link>
		<dc:creator>jayrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It makes me giggle that you mentioned Project Runway....
Wah and I.... ok, mainly just me, spent ALL day Sunday on the couch watching the Project Runway marathon.... before this weekend I never saw a single show.... I’ve now seen them all.... except, of course the two hour finale tonight, which I will miss.... Anybody recording it?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It makes me giggle that you mentioned Project Runway&#8230;.<br />
Wah and I&#8230;. ok, mainly just me, spent ALL day Sunday on the couch watching the Project Runway marathon&#8230;. before this weekend I never saw a single show&#8230;. I’ve now seen them all&#8230;. except, of course the two hour finale tonight, which I will miss&#8230;. Anybody recording it?</p>
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		<title>By: gorjus</title>
		<link>http://www.vindaugagallery.com/archives/15#comment-20</link>
		<dc:creator>gorjus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It surprises me that you are so sensitive about your work, mainly because you have strong verbal and writing skills; most artists I've seen that get defensive about "what they mean" have a limited ability to actually express what it is they are trying to "say."  I've always thought you could really discuss, and defend, your art.

I've always thought about art as a shotgun; the artist aims for a target (well, sometimes), and hopefully comes close to it.  But there's spray all over the place, and it might "hit" something that comes close to pornography, or a celebration of violence, or kitsch, or whatever.

That being said, if you're getting repeated questions or concerns about how people perceive your work, perhaps it needs to be re-evaluated.  I'm thinking of it in terms of Project Runway.  If you're an Austin Scarlett, you know what you're doing, so forget what other people say.  But if you're like, a Wendy, and someone keeps telling you, you're missing the point here, or you keep getting the same feedback, perhaps a re-evaluation is in order.

It's the job of the artist (or, ideally, a supportive critic) to say, Here is what the target was, and assess whether it was hit.  I think Madonna would NOT be considered a feminist icon today without the efforts of writers like Camille Paglia, who argue that she is announcing and controlling her sexuality, and not simply being grist for the male self-gratification mill.

Likewise, if you have a strong idea &#38; you think you've hit it, argue for it.  I got flak for using too much negative space in something I did recently, but I WANT MORE negative space in my work (my New Year's Resolutions are ridiculous).  I argued with the two people who said, this sucks, and just stuck to my guns.  They didn't like it, but I hit the target I was aiming for, and could say--this is influenced by the work of Jeff Kleinsmith, who is a whiz at negative space, and I wanted to do a little thing for him.  So I was fine with it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It surprises me that you are so sensitive about your work, mainly because you have strong verbal and writing skills; most artists I&#8217;ve seen that get defensive about &#8220;what they mean&#8221; have a limited ability to actually express what it is they are trying to &#8220;say.&#8221;  I&#8217;ve always thought you could really discuss, and defend, your art.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always thought about art as a shotgun; the artist aims for a target (well, sometimes), and hopefully comes close to it.  But there&#8217;s spray all over the place, and it might &#8220;hit&#8221; something that comes close to pornography, or a celebration of violence, or kitsch, or whatever.</p>
<p>That being said, if you&#8217;re getting repeated questions or concerns about how people perceive your work, perhaps it needs to be re-evaluated.  I&#8217;m thinking of it in terms of Project Runway.  If you&#8217;re an Austin Scarlett, you know what you&#8217;re doing, so forget what other people say.  But if you&#8217;re like, a Wendy, and someone keeps telling you, you&#8217;re missing the point here, or you keep getting the same feedback, perhaps a re-evaluation is in order.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the job of the artist (or, ideally, a supportive critic) to say, Here is what the target was, and assess whether it was hit.  I think Madonna would NOT be considered a feminist icon today without the efforts of writers like Camille Paglia, who argue that she is announcing and controlling her sexuality, and not simply being grist for the male self-gratification mill.</p>
<p>Likewise, if you have a strong idea &amp; you think you&#8217;ve hit it, argue for it.  I got flak for using too much negative space in something I did recently, but I WANT MORE negative space in my work (my New Year&#8217;s Resolutions are ridiculous).  I argued with the two people who said, this sucks, and just stuck to my guns.  They didn&#8217;t like it, but I hit the target I was aiming for, and could say&#8211;this is influenced by the work of Jeff Kleinsmith, who is a whiz at negative space, and I wanted to do a little thing for him.  So I was fine with it.</p>
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		<title>By: hud</title>
		<link>http://www.vindaugagallery.com/archives/15#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>hud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2005 00:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>stick with the League of Favorite Artists. It is the only way to beat back the Legion of Doom.

I really like some of the pictures here, makes me want to fix my camera, which I broke...again.

Your response to critics makes sense to me, maybe thats just the way I am too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stick with the League of Favorite Artists. It is the only way to beat back the Legion of Doom.</p>
<p>I really like some of the pictures here, makes me want to fix my camera, which I broke&#8230;again.</p>
<p>Your response to critics makes sense to me, maybe thats just the way I am too.</p>
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		<title>By: jayrah</title>
		<link>http://www.vindaugagallery.com/archives/15#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>jayrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still think having your work confiscated is the mark of someone that is truly pushing the boundaries of their society... and that’s always been a huge part of what art is to me.  It should make me think and feel conflicted.... if it’s just happy babies dressed up like sunflowers.... well.... that’s another discussion...
Back to my point.... I think having your art confiscated by the police puts you in a league with some of my favorite artists (and yours too).  Its just cool and hardcore.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still think having your work confiscated is the mark of someone that is truly pushing the boundaries of their society&#8230; and that’s always been a huge part of what art is to me.  It should make me think and feel conflicted&#8230;. if it’s just happy babies dressed up like sunflowers&#8230;. well&#8230;. that’s another discussion&#8230;<br />
Back to my point&#8230;. I think having your art confiscated by the police puts you in a league with some of my favorite artists (and yours too).  Its just cool and hardcore.</p>
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